{"id":2185,"date":"2019-08-02T08:52:47","date_gmt":"2019-08-02T08:52:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/?p=2185"},"modified":"2019-08-03T17:05:05","modified_gmt":"2019-08-03T17:05:05","slug":"patreon-vs-adult-developers-the-true","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/ja\/patreon-vs-adult-developers-the-true\/","title":{"rendered":"Patreon vs Adult Developers &#8211; the True"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Patreon has always been unfriendly to any adult content creator. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As sample read <a href=\"https:\/\/www.gamesindustry.biz\/articles\/2017-10-26-developers-question-patreons-adult-games-restrictions\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">gamesindustry,<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/kotaku.com\/patreon-starts-enforcing-stricter-rules-on-sex-games-1819842093\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">kotaku<\/a>,<a href=\"https:\/\/gizmodo.com\/why-adult-content-creators-are-mad-at-patreon-1827254676\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">gizmodo<\/a> \u307e\u305f\u306f <a href=\"http:\/\/www.openlettertopatreon.com\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Open Letter to Patreon from adult developers &amp; backers<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What&#8217;s the reasons?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>&#8211; Adult creators can&#8217;t share even censored nudity to their followers or potential backers<\/li><li>&#8211; Patreon has really fuzzy rules about adult content in the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/policy\/guidelines\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Guidelines<\/a>, so each moderator has own point of sign what&#8217;s forbidden on Patreon<\/li><li>&#8211; Patreon&#8217;s Trust &amp; Safety team is extremely unprofessional in the moderating adult content and understanding basic adult fetishes<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>We got the holy messages &#8220;This page is under review&#8221; from Patreon twice this year: 11 months ago and <a href=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/ja\/temporarily-suspended-on-patreon-still-under-review\/\">few weeks ago<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/zuleyka\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"> Zuleyka Games on Patreon<\/a> page it was about Patreon&#8217;s main adult content rule &#8220;<strong>no nudity<\/strong>&#8221; (even censored by clothes or pixels)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/d6acfa_f1ca64116d2a4dd5971b009aba47030b_mv2-1024x1024.jpg\" alt=\"-\" class=\"wp-image-2207\" title=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/d6acfa_f1ca64116d2a4dd5971b009aba47030b_mv2-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/d6acfa_f1ca64116d2a4dd5971b009aba47030b_mv2-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/d6acfa_f1ca64116d2a4dd5971b009aba47030b_mv2-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/d6acfa_f1ca64116d2a4dd5971b009aba47030b_mv2-768x767.jpg 768w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/d6acfa_f1ca64116d2a4dd5971b009aba47030b_mv2-90x90.jpg 90w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/d6acfa_f1ca64116d2a4dd5971b009aba47030b_mv2.jpg 1134w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption>Do you think it&#8217;s okay? It&#8217;s not for Patreon&#8230; It&#8217;s a sexual pose and implied nudity!!!<br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"133\" src=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/patreon-nudity-guidelines-1024x133.png\" alt=\"-\" class=\"wp-image-2208\" title=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/patreon-nudity-guidelines-1024x133.png 1024w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/patreon-nudity-guidelines-300x39.png 300w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/patreon-nudity-guidelines-768x100.png 768w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/patreon-nudity-guidelines.png 1196w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption><a href=\"https:\/\/support.patreon.com\/hc\/en-us\/articles\/360007537092-Is-Nudity-allowed-on-Patreon-\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Nudity on Patreon<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p> Patreon has banned a lot of pages for arts like this one.  And for what we&#8217;ve +18 disclaimer on our pages?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/konkurs_bikini-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"-\" class=\"wp-image-2213\" title=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/konkurs_bikini-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/konkurs_bikini-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/konkurs_bikini-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/konkurs_bikini.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And the second favorite rule of Patreon&#8217;s Trust &amp; Safety team is &#8220;<strong>glorifying sexual violence<\/strong>&#8220;.  They can easily find it in everything&#8230; and they really found some bound elves on my page&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"880\" src=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/bridget-patreon-trust-and-safety-1024x880.png\" alt=\"-\" class=\"wp-image-2193\" title=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/bridget-patreon-trust-and-safety-1024x880.png 1024w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/bridget-patreon-trust-and-safety-300x258.png 300w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/bridget-patreon-trust-and-safety-768x660.png 768w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/bridget-patreon-trust-and-safety.png 1189w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><br>We had a long talk with manager <strong>Bridget (Trust &amp; Safety team)<\/strong>. it was like a dialog about <strong><em>what&#8217;s BDSM and why &#8220;sex slaves&#8221; is not 100% rape<\/em><\/strong><br><em>by default<\/em>. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But it was like a dialog with a person who trying to understand her work well as we see in the letter. So all my respect and love to Bridget! <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"830\" height=\"916\" src=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/sydney-patreon.png\" alt=\"-\" class=\"wp-image-2196\" title=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/sydney-patreon.png 830w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/sydney-patreon-272x300.png 272w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/sydney-patreon-768x848.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 830px) 100vw, 830px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>After almost 1 year and few weeks ago my page was banned again by a new Patreon&#8217;s T&amp;S member &#8211; <strong>Sydney<\/strong> for the same word &#8220;Slaves&#8221;  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"768\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/BDSM-Paar_-_Top_and_Bottom_-_Europride_2002-768x1024.jpg\" alt=\"-\" class=\"wp-image-2191\" title=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/BDSM-Paar_-_Top_and_Bottom_-_Europride_2002-768x1024.jpg 768w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/BDSM-Paar_-_Top_and_Bottom_-_Europride_2002-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/BDSM-Paar_-_Top_and_Bottom_-_Europride_2002.jpg 900w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px\" \/><figcaption>Bdsm-Pair &#8211; Dominant &Amp; Slave &#8211; Europride 2002 Cologne<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8230; and even &#8220;<strong>Attack<\/strong>&#8220;?!  WTF?!!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-gallery columns-1 is-cropped wp-block-gallery-1 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\"><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" height=\"438\" src=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/breaking-news-live-attack-squirrel-on-the-rampage-3865919_cr.png\" alt=\"-\" data-id=\"2201\" data-link=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/?attachment_id=2201\" class=\"wp-image-2201\" title=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/breaking-news-live-attack-squirrel-on-the-rampage-3865919_cr.png 500w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/breaking-news-live-attack-squirrel-on-the-rampage-3865919_cr-300x263.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/figure><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> Sure all disclaimers like this one<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>DISCLAIMER:&nbsp;&nbsp;<br>All characters made of pixels and are aged 18+ years, their interactions are consensual BDSM roleplay<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sure it works well for all players of the modern adult industry like <a href=\"https:\/\/www.kink.com\/studios\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">kink studio<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But it&#8217;s not enough for Patreon&#8217;s team that can see &#8220;non-consensual&#8221; in words like &#8220;attack&#8221; or &#8220;slave&#8221;, so they see rape everywhere&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"647\" src=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/sydney-patreon-1-1024x647.png\" alt=\"-\" class=\"wp-image-2202\" title=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/sydney-patreon-1-1024x647.png 1024w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/sydney-patreon-1-300x190.png 300w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/sydney-patreon-1-768x485.png 768w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/sydney-patreon-1.png 1149w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>She&#8217;s so nice girl. She unlocked my account just after two weeks of waiting her answers. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As we see from this letter, Patreon&#8217;s support team totally don&#8217;t understand that <strong>BDSM (safe, sane, consensual)<\/strong> can be <strong>only 100% consensual adult sadomasochistic activity<\/strong> (<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/BDSM\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">WIKIPEDIA<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just because of: <\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>&#8211; unprofessional moderating team don&#8217;t clearly understand even basic of adult fetishes and management of the adult content <\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>&#8211; no clear rules to detect consensual\/non-consensual content like all other adult paysites have long had in adult business&#8230;<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>For me <strong>time of reaction of the Patreon&#8217;s support  was about 3-7 days<\/strong> on each my tickets\/emails, so it can takes <strong>2-3 weeks<\/strong> to have a talk with Trust &amp; Safety team. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So each adult developer on Patreon can easily lose a huge amount of their backers or a monthly income (card processing is not working if your account was suspended). You&#8217;d better to be ready to get under canvas&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p style=\"text-align:center\"><strong>Are you creating an adult content on Patreon?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"748\" height=\"554\" src=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/birdsattack_o_158598.jpg\" alt=\"-\" class=\"wp-image-2204\" title=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/birdsattack_o_158598.jpg 748w, https:\/\/zuleyka.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/birdsattack_o_158598-300x222.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 748px) 100vw, 748px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Fell free to repost it on your social pages<\/strong> &amp; comment what do you think about all this Patreon&#8217;s fun quest for adult developers, guys \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>P.S. I&#8217;ve created a page on  <br><a href=\"https:\/\/subscribestar.adult\/zuleyka\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/subscribestar.adult\/zuleyka<\/a> <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u30ba\u30ec\u30a4\u30ab<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Patreon has always been unfriendly to any adult content creator. As sample read gamesindustry, kotaku,gizmodo or Open Letter to Patreon from adult developers &amp; backers What&#8217;s the reasons? &#8211; Adult creators can&#8217;t share even censored nudity to their followers or potential backers &#8211; Patreon has really fuzzy rules about adult content in the Guidelines, so each moderator has own point of sign what&#8217;s forbidden on Patreon &#8211; Patreon&#8217;s Trust &amp; Safety team is extremely unprofessional in the moderating adult content and understanding basic adult fetishes We got the holy messages &#8220;This page is under review&#8221; from Patreon twice this year: 11 months ago and few weeks ago. 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